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They dont sue churches either. And didnt your last article explain that Bryan Loritts himself was found out to be a voyeur in the womens bathroom? Mohlers boys in appointed positions accused a Baptist college here as going liberal. This is exactly what we were taught. It was around this time that Dee was in the process ofchanging her views of much of this stuff. Or people thinking we can bring repentant molester cons back into institutions. Lea wrote: Now the lion is the dentist . And they need to suffer the repercussions of that, to show and send a message that you cannot take this lightly. I knew a lot of them in seminary. Are people being instructed to rely solely on leadership for ALL moral direction and not to run it through their own consciences where they can consider their own personal situations in real time, and pray for guidance??? I think that seems to be what has been created. Maintaining relationships inside the neo-cal industrial complex is key. Normal people do not have a hypnotic affect. And Christians should stop giving their money to these abusive churches. or something at some prayer meeting declaring him to be Gods choice, or words to that effect. What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? I honestly dont know. I would believe it was doctrinal (ie, people sin) if it applied equally to leaders and your average woman in the pew. The damage he inflicted on thousands. On the friedman quote, I share your political concerns, but I thought it was applicable to these church cases too. (my mom came back thinking that was as about as low class and crass as one could getunusual to hear such from her) It is all so much worse today, of course. Huh? For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. (Not mentioned was Colorado), -At a "Purity Conference" in Memphis, Newman engaged a group of boys in sex talk, telling them what it was like to "have sex with a woman now that he was married.". @ Todd Wilhelm: We need to shout this stuff from the mountaintop.. And expose these enablers for what they are If I had young children and theyd been to any Christian activities, I would be paranoid. Actually, it would be better if churches used a secular training program for abuse training. "Its big money. (Id also have no problem suing a church into oblivion if their negligence caused my child harm.) Its important that the Church be held accountable because it will mean change; He saw Newman as a "very popular guy," well-liked, a "powerful, motivated, enthusiastic speaker," a "superstar.". I think its a healthy barrier against abuse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVI3bmN8TI. I am thinking that this is a text book case of misunderstanding all the way around. If I followed what you said, I would have to pack up my signs and sit on my hands 15 miles away instead of warning people (in my quite imperfect way). Pete was what a Christian should look like. We went together, stayed in the cabin together. Not that Im naive enough anymore to trust a church to do the right thing. Reading this makes me want to throw up!! Hire family and family of family and people we know from conferences, etc.. Headless Unicorn Guy wrote: I live near Branson and recall this sad situation very well. You give someone a place to hideout today, because you may need one tomorrow. As soon as Kanakuk became aware of abuse, we took action, including immediate termination, and subsequently reported him to authorities. At the time that was taken seriously by the parents, mine included, and once one went past that second set of doors one was quiet. Thats okay, I saw them at the Western Kentucky State Fair 3rd row seat, front and center! However, it is because of Pete, that I have developed a worldview that acknowledges the power of sin and that no one is immune to the influence of the flesh. These folks are not far from where they sat a three year old girl down across from her abuser and exhorted her to forgive him because shes a sinner too. Dygert said he signed a non-disclosure agreement with Kanakuk. Let me just say, we had a situation at an office I worked in where they found someone with child porn. Please do not make the mistake of assuming that either all Christian pastors are good or that they all are evil. Lydia, didnt the doctrine of soul competency take a hit when Patterson put the 2000 BF&M changes into play? It's been over 20 years since the abuse began for me by Pete Newman of Kanakuk Kamps. The most important way she says for parents to protect their children is to get involved. The programs also went over grooming signs. There is a time and place for that of course, and we have other systems that are punitive, like a license board investigation for instance. How could they? :o). You Goat! you wont convince me that one isnt a CYA hire! Its a town. Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. Brian- you were groomed to think about this man the way you did. At least thats how it feels. Too many want a big show of everything, with celebrities and entertaining music. Thank you, ladies for your hard work. As an old socialist (FDR style) who also believes in free dialogue, I like to be in the know about the ideas of those who dont believe as I believe. Chilling. And including a former President. They still are highly sought after and do meticulous work. And we wonder why the Done ranks are swelling? We must honor them with listening. It might have been the first time he was abused; he can't remember. I would think some of these firms are seeing some these churches/para churches have very Deep Pockets. This. If we question, then we are labeled not trusting and that is one of the deadly sins. I see Bob Jones listed as a client. . If WOMEN had a say, do you think things would be the same in neo-Cal churches? I think they were all fine, but they were generally a bunch of people I knew well too. This is so true and could be why ministry was a chosen path as people/kids in churches and para church ministries are easier to fool and come in automatically trusting leaders. Thanks for saying this. We are talking about something I find very scary for innocents out there when it comes to Christian organizations. And it sends a message. That makes me wonder if he started a lot of what is wrong with our SBC churches today. /sarcasm. Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. LifeWay also weaseled out of responsibility using the contract pastor line. I really dont think its doing the pedophile any favors by surrounding him with children, either. Without success, the News-Leader attempted to reach Staples for comment several times before publication of this report. There is a false Church today in this world. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. He had to practice church discipline on a 35 year member Dr. Nan Hawkes and drive her from the congregation. Many here have referred to it as the long con. If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. Hell is swelling, too, with demons who were called pastor on earth. Add to that they tend to believe the molester (when caught) and how sorry they are. My understanding is that the general target of the Resurgence was to get rid of liberal excesses that had arisen, especially within seminaries. Pedophiles work in much the same manner with the exception they seem to have much more patience in preparing their victims and their enablers. Sammy was moved to a contract pastor in 2007 after a spycam was allegedly found in the girls showers of a CentriFUGE Camp. In a faith community where a persons OWN informed moral conscience, when exercised after considering ones personal situation, what the Church teaches, and after prayer for guidance from the Holy Spirit, takes priority over ANY external authoritarian direction, I am not against prevention. I dont remember having seen any of this in the news at the time. He also hung out with Newman "just in town." It is not Mephistopheles but Faust who embodies the constant, sleepless, unsmiling concentration upon Self which is the true mark of Hell.. I would not have known about this situation if those twohadn't been keeping an *eagle* and *watchful* eye on this story. He added that Newman "already established in my brain that this masturbation stuff was not wrong, because I wasn't lusting. Its not inside the church, but its only a few feet from the churchs parking lot, front walk, etc. I need to do car insurance again and wont be able to drive after this week if I dont make that payment. ", "When that was normalized, when masturbation was kind of an inroad to what he wanted to do with boys, () To me, he kind of made everything else OK," Hoffpauir said. Pretty sick stuff. I had a very hard time believing any of it. Thou hast the words of eternal life, and they cannot go far wrong. Caring? I can respect that. I have no idea how Mirele understood my original comment to have anything to do with anything else. Do you think this one is simple good ole boy network/nepotism? Deceiving your own flock is okay, if you choose your words carefully enough? . Yet fruit has nothing to do with it? There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. The proof is in the fruit. ", The lawsuit adds, "During each of these activities Defendant Newman falsely represented to the young Plaintiff that these behaviors were okay or normal and were not 'sinful'. Kamp Kanakukalsohad anotherpedophile incident which you can read about here:Former Kanakuk Counselor Lee Bradberry Sentenced To Ten Years For Sex Crimes Involving Young Boys. Newman was a long time employeeof the camp but, under his family man, jovial, Christian exterior, there lived a monster. ave they announced who is Gods Choice THIS year? And they wouldnt sign, to their credit. What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? Its tough though because its a subject no one wants to think about or be reminded of. On Feb 4., a separateanonymous plaintiff sued Newman for the same amount of money. Milton Friedman talked about how you have to make it profitable for people to do the right thing, I think punitive is just the opposite of that, you make it costly to do the wrong thing. Amen Christiane. because I was somewhere in the process of incubating my second child and I threw up about every hour or so. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. Again, this is not true. Filed April 8, the new lawsuit names only Newman. White wrote, "It's definitely a mess and a last-resort measure not the way it was intended to function, but better than a major explosion.". Of course, if a church in a particular area has the PD, and judges in their pocket, then it will be challenging. This sort of reminds me of what I saw happen with the sexual harassment industry years ago. They were told to sign or resign, and many had the integrity to resign. These churches are either incredibly stupid, blind, or just dont care even a little bit about what is right. Isnt that the truth. I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. Yet another reason to stay away from church. I did have some extended family leave the mission field after about 20 years when they were required to sign the BFM 2000. the wife had an M.Div so lead worship and preached while her husband was working the bush. I dont understand why Christian organizations feel that they have to reinvent the wheel or use Christian versions of products. They get to do the wrong or unfair things with no consequences. And this rule, coupled with some others seemed to send a message they wanted to isolate the kids. Its not just the few bad guys getting outed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKAfXdb5LsA. it was very moving. The attempt to add these two corporate officers as additional defendants is not justified under the applicable law and would constitute needless duplication with respect to the plaintiffs allegations. He just started high school. Hard to tell whos who and who did what with so many of these clowns milling around scratching each others backs. There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. Based on what weve experienced (subtle and not-so-subtle emotional and spiritual abuse of our children at the hands of leaders) and experiences of friends (e.g., a prominent local church knowingly put a child sex offender who was on probation in charge of the high school youth group; he promptly started sexually harassing my daughters 16 year old best friend and my daughter personally witnessed him making cracks about taking care of her best friends boyfriend so as to get him out of the way so hed have free reign over her). I have had a calling towards Student Ministry for many years and volunteered alongside Pete at the local Methodist Church. It read: The Lord is in his holy temple, let all the earth keep silent before Him. I suppose reason also is something that is challenged, and yet God is the God of the natural world, which is ordered out of chaos; That didnt happen with the Village Church. My former church blew off a similar incident and the pedophile went on to molest. Here this is up Sandy Willson of Memphis Second Presbyterian Church was notified in November 2011 that there was am alleged sexual predator on staff. They went on fall and summer retreats, too. At least Penn State, after their disgusting mess blew open, cleaned house!! My daughter did a several hour training module to work for the YMCA. REFUGEE, Only not in the way the person expects, they use it to perfect their craft. In light of all of that, Id rather have a church implement some sort of sexual abuse prevention program to mitigate the risk to children, than for a family to have to endure an uncertain legal process to seek justice for a violated child. . I just bang my head against the wall. Luke 17:2 Peter Newman and Camp Kanakuk . In fact, there is now so much info online to educate churches about sexual abuse that ministries have no excuse for being ignorant. How do I go about investigating a camp? Both men said the Frenches' reporting gave them a sense of validation, even as it "rocked the boat a lot," in Dygert's words: They learned they weren't alone. The other group brings lawsuits in some cases but not others, I find that hypocritical. Because we have Jobs and Lives and have to pause sometime; the fanboy doesnt. He works to protect churches. I thought it was delightful and I did not see anything particularly religious about it at the time. Branson is indeed well known as a vacation destination in the central US. In response to this sexually inappropriate behavior, Newman was placed on probation., Despite these revelations, White would keep Newman on staff in easy reach of his future victims.. By my reading, the Pharisees were several notches better than these thugs. Amen, and even Penn State cleaned house when it blew up But not a Christain organization Instead, lets further tear fiwn the victims to defefend ourselves Yup, they really are modeling Christ.. On this issue there has to be zero tolerance. Pride. Neither GRACE nor MinistrySafe brings lawsuits against churches. Im glad there is a witness who says he/she will come forward if leadership lies about what went down. We only hear about the ones who slipped up and got caught. I know nothing about that conversion process. What were some of the allegedactivities? this helps explain some of the dependency on leadership, especially if: Do you have a news link for that story? I heard all sorts of stories from extended family with all our ties to SBTS back then. That is one of the foundations of the faith, yes. Listen to the promptings. Oh my goodness. http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/01/us/university-of-kentucky-sues-student-newspaper-sexual-assault/index.html I think there is definitely an old boy network with the pastors. Where you cannot be assured of decent people, you have to make it profitable for them to do the right thing and painful for them to do the wrong thing. Life is a minefield. Our local news this week reported on a Baptist church music minister sentenced to 30 years in Federal prison for sexual exploitation of minors, including child pornography. :o) seriously! Like other young Christianswho crossed Newman's path, Hoffpauir described Newman, then roughly 26 years old,as an ideal person for evangelical youth ministry: "Very charismatic," Hoffpauir told the News-Leader in a recent interview. And I am a nobody so who cares, really? At least one of the victims was not yet a teen the story said he was 12, at one point. It was a long time ago. Second: I am commenting only to add some insight to the discussion. Its been 7 years since the man worked there and less since his conviction. Perhaps we could use that to make Sacred Cow Sundaes (Gram3s TM). He was imprisoned following his 2010 sentencingon seven felony counts of sexually abusing boys, in connection with his role as a Kanakuk counselor. . They *make* themselves useful to deceivers. Opening up and letting the truth in might knock them off their perceived center. I think this leaning on leaders is contingent on an absence of education and training in the working of God-given moral conscience as a part of Christian formation. I guess it comes down to, what did Bryan Loritts know and when did he know it? The problem is that some organizations will NOT do the right thing until they know it will cost them. If they came across as perverts, they would not get the trust they do. The college said, ok. We dont want it. After graduating from Auburn University, Pete was brought on full-time in 1999 and started the Kanakuk Father & Son Retreats. Steve Taylor, I Manipulate. -Newman used his unrestricted access to Kanakuk facilities to lure underage boys to the facilities during the off-season for sexual purposes. The worst kind of SIN with very severely injured victims left in its wake. Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? Oh my gosh, this is heartbreaking, heartbreaking. Most of their employees are members, leaders, sometimes pastors at local churches. Ever read about Stuebenville Ohio and how the city law enforcement and officials covered up gang rape by the High School football team? ", Another federal suit filed in Dallas claims camper was sexually abused over seven years at summer camp Kanakuk, The new suit says Newman developed a deeper and more trusting relationship with the boy, identified only as John Doe III, by phoning him directly at his home in Texas, by emailing him at his home in Texas, and by sending cards and letters to John Doe III at his home in Texas. The suit alleges this was part of Newmans grooming process and led John Doe III to more completely trust and believe. But what happens to them? Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you are like whitewashed tombs that look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead mens bones and all kinds of filth. Lydia wrote: Yes, I did. If you question what I say to you They promote Jesus, not their own brand. Because as you know, football scholarships are more important than a teenage girl. Our SBC church (the men, actually, because they are the only ones allowed to speak) was up in arms over that. I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? Finally one judge gets it. Its claiming he does both that is the problem. Milton Friedman talked about how you have to make it profitable for people to do the right thing, I think punitive is just the opposite of that, you make it costly to do the wrong thing. IMO talking about conscience does indeed get close to reason and experience, except I dont think that is a bad thing. Sandy kicked the issue over to Richard Rieves. I think that the Church of my Southern Baptist grandmother must have been similar, as she was someone who reflected on the goodness of God and lived her life accordingly. The baptist church of my earliest years had a quote from the bible carved over the doors between the vestibule/narthex and the church/nave. The issue being this is my body..blood and what the meaning of the word is is. I think a big part of it is actually doctrinal in some ways. @ Bridget: They are unfortunately few around us. I wouldnt say it was Christian themed, either just good clean fun for all ages. And if not dealt with properly their credibility ruined forever. Its common in business to hire outside professionals to do a professional and ethical job. The church had a building firm? . OK, talk to you later. This modified form of ignorance is found in people who, if confronted with certain truths realize that they have to accept them and thereby acknowledge evil, and that scares them. Newman was in the news a lot in this area, as his crimes against children were revealed. It ended up being a way to pay out lower settlements and/or avoid responsibility in law suits. I mean, really, how dare they? Most of the people who stay in these churches have been trained to view the leaders in some sort of special anointed category. I would sue if I were in the position of these families. 1. moral conscience is deemed untrustworthy and Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. We will never stop being sorry for the pain inflicted on victims. I keep thinking of something from the Preface to Screwtape Letters a throwaway comment by Lewis: The day the camp director found out, both counselors from that cabin were told to pack their bags and leave, and all of the parents of kids in the cabin were informed. :o). ", "The issue of right and wrong with masturbation is the issue of lust," White wrote in his '90s-era book for Christian youth, published in connection with a fundamentalistchurch nonprofit, Focus on the Family. time to stop trusting in these clowns who preach that they KNOW who is saved or who is a real Christian. '", They talked regularly for nine years, Hoffpauir said, from 2012 until September of 2021. These churches believe they are beyond reproach. Dave, did you know that Dr. Hawkes is a neuropsychologist? if NOT, I have to ask what IS the deal??? And isnt there ongoing lawsuits? But for Jesus it did have to do with that temple/ that building in Jerusalem and what he said was My house shall be called a house of prayer. I looked up this camp, and they are acting like nothing happened! Heres a David Hayward cartoon in honor of Cecil the Lion killed by a dentist in Africa. Spending money on a report is one way to stay in business. "That was like a solid eight hours we're in mediation, just like, zero empathy or respect for us from the Kanakuk side, just downplaying everything that happened, lowballing us on the settlement figure.". @ BeenThereDoneThat: Accusations of sex abuse tied to Newman and Kanakuk have made headlines recently as two journalists with conservative online news site The Dispatch published a report on March 28 that asserted the Newman scandalwas more widespread and systemic than previously understood. The Calvinistas look to me like militant political pseudo-conservative evangelicals. January 2010: Newman finally leaves the church to stand trial. @ okrapod: Im with you and so are scores of others. In court documents filed in February 2013, Kanakuk says it will present testimony from expert witnesses that will cast doubt on the severity of the harm John Doe suffered as a 12-year-old sexual abuse victim. I guess if it happened awhile ago it doesnt matter. I would call the culling of those missionaries an attack against a healthy diversity within the SBC, and the missionaries belonged to a faith group that leadership no longer wanted to have influence in the SBC. It's like a pop-off valve on the water heater." I dont think they are clueless. The newspaper is now being sued by UK, under the claim that, in order to protect the victims, the facts should not be made public. Those days are drawing to a close and they will soon experience their own Waterloo so to speak. We/I believe that the Eucharist is a sacrament, not just an ordinance, and we believe that the Lord is really present in the Eucharist. Dallas trial date nears for $10 million sex abuse lawsuit against Kanakuk Ministries. In a statement to CT on Friday, Kanakuk Kamps said its policy is not to comment on pending litigation, but that "we continue to pray for all who have been affected by Pete Newman's behavior." "These are the most affluent kids in the country," he said. Is this accurate? Hes in the cesspool himself. Fellowship Memphis wouldnt have touched him with a ten-foot pole, much less hired him on staff. I cant come up with anything that makes sense. There are tares out there. And sadly, the followers have to share in the responsibility of creating and maintaining these monsters and their protectors. Unfortunately, it seems to indicate that Fellowship Memphis does not take either child sex abuse or voyeurism seriously. Thanks, OKRAPOD I, for one, am hoping things have changed. Like barbarians, the most vulnerable are just collateral damage to them while protecting institutions and titles. The part about him telling them what sex with women was like because he was married now? My daughter now preaches at an Evangelical Covenant church, the denomination this evil man belonged to. Im curious. But only he and Newman were present, he now recalls. The Simpsons was right! I went to branson in like 1990. "They're going to different tables. I wonder how even more will be turned away from the church entirely because of this level of corruption. Its been around for a while. Believing you are one of Gods special elect doesnt make it so if you do not follow Jesus example. Summer 2009: Newman is hired byFellowship Memphisas a curriculum writer and is given a place to live. He wrote his phone number on my hand and said, 'Hey, let's hang out sometime.' Ted Cruz, and now 3. The time I heard it that had THE most impact was on a CD by this one small-press Furry cartoonist from VA who was passing them out at AnthroCon some 15 years ago. But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. I was a little confused as to why GRACE is held in such high esteem, yet there are strong objections to MinistrySafe. "He was very macho, manly, like, tough, in a way. Then I read the story. They are empty men, pursuing the almighty dollar, masquerading in sheep costumes, men without souls. And if something goes wronglike the statute of limitations runs out and theres no way to extend it in some way, shape or formthen the law firm eats the cost of the case. The negotiations were a bruising experience. kind of like one of the jobs of a celebrity is to look like they are having the time of their life (or anyones life). Eagle has written a number of excellent articles at his blog. Because to a performer, his/her appearance and looks are a valuable job asset, part of their on-stage/on-camera presence. Christians many times do not guard against this and even cover it up! Pedos (and manipulators of every kind) groom third-party Allies (especially Authority figures) to both futher isolate the victim (Go ahead and squeal, Tattle-Tale! https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/sandy-willson-of-second-presbyterian-memphis-is-allegedly-notified-in-november-2011-that-a-sexual-predator-was-on-staff-at-downtown-presbyterian-church/#more-7415. I am sorry for being so cynical! 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